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	<title>Comments on: School Shootings, Bullying, and Indifference</title>
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		<title>By: adamdenker</title>
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		<description>Lucien- you make good points and I skipped over the point about violent games. The primary cause is the bullying and the abuse. 

However, I think the desensitizing effect of a constant exposure to violent games and programs can contribute. I wouldn&#039;t blame it solely or primarily for school violence, but I think it can make people less immune to the negative effects.

I agree that the person interviewed was using it as an excuse. It is a shame ABC chose not to interview someone who better epitomizes the victims of endless abuse who turn to shooting when pushed over the edge.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucien- you make good points and I skipped over the point about violent games. The primary cause is the bullying and the abuse. </p>
<p>However, I think the desensitizing effect of a constant exposure to violent games and programs can contribute. I wouldn&#8217;t blame it solely or primarily for school violence, but I think it can make people less immune to the negative effects.</p>
<p>I agree that the person interviewed was using it as an excuse. It is a shame ABC chose not to interview someone who better epitomizes the victims of endless abuse who turn to shooting when pushed over the edge.</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment!</p>
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		<title>By: lucienlachance</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People always try to make it out like Harris and Klebold were these outcasts, when in fact they had friends, I think one of them even had a girlfriend. 

I think the fact that the media is always attacking the idea of the &#039;outcast&#039; is the real problem. We&#039;re taught to hate those who are different or don&#039;t have friends, so when anything terrible happens we immediately jump on the idea that they were different. Bullying happens even more now, and it&#039;s not just the kids who are different (though they probably get the majority of it).  

Along with that there&#039;s another side to it: fame. You kill people you become infamous. Some people even celebrate on the shooters&#039; birthdays, and basically worship them like celebrities. So it&#039;s not just the hating, it&#039;s also the idolizing. A lot of kids who are nobodies want to be somebody, even if it&#039;s just 15 minutes of fame for something terrible. 

I was the kid who hung out with the drug dealers because no one else wanted to be seen with me.  I got ridiculed by just about everyone at one time or another. I was always alone. 

People stand around blaming TV violence or videogames for everything, because they want a reason. The truth is it doesn&#039;t take movies to kill somebody. People have been doing that long before television was around. It&#039;s like you were talking about: people bully you enough and you get pushed over the edge. That&#039;s all it takes. 

Imagine how many kids watch violence and DON&#039;T do something violent. I&#039;m sick of the blaming. It&#039;s people who cause this, not slasher flicks or action movies. 

Honestly, I think that shooter they interviewed was a liar. It takes more than Doom or Grand Theft Auto for someone to pick up a gun, look another person in the face, then shoot them with it. He sounds like he&#039;s looking for a plee of temporary insanity. And yeah, perhaps some kids have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality, but the fact is it&#039;s generally because of bullying that it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People always try to make it out like Harris and Klebold were these outcasts, when in fact they had friends, I think one of them even had a girlfriend. </p>
<p>I think the fact that the media is always attacking the idea of the &#8216;outcast&#8217; is the real problem. We&#8217;re taught to hate those who are different or don&#8217;t have friends, so when anything terrible happens we immediately jump on the idea that they were different. Bullying happens even more now, and it&#8217;s not just the kids who are different (though they probably get the majority of it).  </p>
<p>Along with that there&#8217;s another side to it: fame. You kill people you become infamous. Some people even celebrate on the shooters&#8217; birthdays, and basically worship them like celebrities. So it&#8217;s not just the hating, it&#8217;s also the idolizing. A lot of kids who are nobodies want to be somebody, even if it&#8217;s just 15 minutes of fame for something terrible. </p>
<p>I was the kid who hung out with the drug dealers because no one else wanted to be seen with me.  I got ridiculed by just about everyone at one time or another. I was always alone. </p>
<p>People stand around blaming TV violence or videogames for everything, because they want a reason. The truth is it doesn&#8217;t take movies to kill somebody. People have been doing that long before television was around. It&#8217;s like you were talking about: people bully you enough and you get pushed over the edge. That&#8217;s all it takes. </p>
<p>Imagine how many kids watch violence and DON&#8217;T do something violent. I&#8217;m sick of the blaming. It&#8217;s people who cause this, not slasher flicks or action movies. </p>
<p>Honestly, I think that shooter they interviewed was a liar. It takes more than Doom or Grand Theft Auto for someone to pick up a gun, look another person in the face, then shoot them with it. He sounds like he&#8217;s looking for a plee of temporary insanity. And yeah, perhaps some kids have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality, but the fact is it&#8217;s generally because of bullying that it happens.</p>
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